Black Orc Down Proposition...

Black orc down has invited us to merge with them, our officers would retain officer priveliges and members would be members again. What do you think of this?

Hmm, there are some pros and cons of merging. I'll wrte them down.

Advantages:
+having a bigger group of people for raids, events etc
+they are already able to take keeps
+Ymgar would not have to worry about guild management, only about raids
+If we don't like the BOD, we can reestablish Karn Aanug

Disadvantages
-I do like Karn Aanug tag - and I was very happy to regain it on Eltharion server
-yesterday keep taking was a bit zergish - too many players for T2 - no fun of it.
-in 2 weeks we got lvl 8th, and 80 members. They got 340memebers and rank 17 - since the September. We can manage more in much shorter time, I think.
-We can retain our positions, and try to bring more discipline. But neverhtheless I think we would loose some independence.
-I like my standard a lot :D

More pros and cons will be listed here.

But, when the majority decided we merge, I would go with you. Guild is mostly people, so we move together.

After considering it for a while, i vote yay on this: We can get rid of the members that are generally bad news in their guild, and form a gigantic guild in the process, we'll be helping them and ourselves, not to mention the fact that they want to bring our methods and discipline to their guild, i think we could shape it up if we show them we mean to have fun in an organised manner. Let's hope they see the fun in trouncing the enemy with solid tactics.

I think a lists of conditions for the merge would be a good idea. Seems like they lack discipline, but the event yesterday by them was an attempt to improve it. I will be setting up an alliance immediately, if we decide against it, I guess we could just remain as we are.

A good point is that we can't really mess up, if we merge, and decide we're not keen on it, we can just back out with nothing lost.

one important observation on the guild leveling. Visit the link: http://wardb.com/search.aspx?browse=10&filters=1003=65#guilds:0-6+1

Among the top 50 guild on our server there is only one with more than 200 members. Quantity is not the most important factor in leveling.Probably the amount of guild renown needed for ranks is interconnected with the number of members. I.E. the top guild rank 40 has 23,315,888 renown, whereas second top guild, rank 26, has almost twice the number of renown - 43,869,992

So we shouldn't count on fast guild leveling i BOD.

No, I have to say it in different way - If we were allowed to completely free management of BOD guild ranks - in order to bring more discipline, then the guild would become more and more powerful.

Talking about conditions, the first one is that we should be allowed to manage their ranks. If there is a member, who lacks discipline, is openly rebelious, or a complete jerk, kicking him should be allowed, no matter how many brothers/sisters/friends/lovers he or she gt in the guild.

Secondly, they should make Ym some kind of vice leader, not one of the rally masters

Thirdly, money for keeping a keep - no matter how much it takes from guild vault.

next, KA members, officers should not be downgraded or be a second category - they need our strategy, tactic and Ym's leadership

next, a free hat for all KA members - why not ;p

another, no more recruitment "come as you are". The recruitent shoudl have anti-jerk, anti-lazybut filter - so KA recruitment policy and questions

next, maybe standard bearer title, or other similar :D

last but not least, people in BOD shoudl accept that merging may mean revolution, not just evolution. I wouldn't like to hear why the leaders merged the guilds, now BOD, with all that discipline, keeps etc, really sucks of course we should be able to kick those who says that - a joke, no offence meant



Will surely think of more conditions All those (maybe except the one about standard, and one about hats, are quite important)

Well, I'm still thinking about the proposition and still cannot say definetely yes or no. I see pros and cons of two situations. I would wait and see what their replay to our demands is

Renown is unrelated to guild level.

I believe the guild level formula is somewhere laong the lines of

Total contribution of characters each day/number of people who contributed each day*0.75

I beleive that a larger number of equally good players boosts the guild faster, but if one guild has all goodp layers and another has the same number of good players, and some more lazy players, the result would be slower leveling.

well I just got here so ill stay neutral

One question, If we are seriously considering joining up with another guild should we not turn the guild tax off for the time being?

A tax at 5% barely matters anyway, we'll take it with us when/if we transfer to their guild, and bank it there instead.

Yes, the guild renown does not affect the guild rank, however is a good indicator of the guild activity/effectiveness.

Currently I am undertaking a very intense communication with Mythic regarding transfer of my character (and some other friends' chars too) from Karak Azgal (dying server now) to Eltharion. We are currently 40, 36, 35 and 34 ranks and if the transfer succeeds, we would be happy to join your ranks. If not... well, we will probably play for Destro on Eltharion and would be happy to grind you to dust

Maybe just roll order instead?

That thought occured to me, but I want to try something new, if I will be forced to begin anew

I had to start over, and I went order again, there's just no challenge in the destro zerging

Nandi can you tell how do you negotiate with Mythic the transfer of char?

The same as Ymg had to start again on Eltharion but again order. And smashing destro is a hell fun You could join us with that

I wrote a letter right to Mythic, whinning about how their "Free Transfers" suck, Karak Azgal suck and GOA sucks too

And smashin' order with my green smasha is fun too ... Me do it orky! Me hit stuff 'ard!
Ym is a noob, has no life and therefore plenty of time to start over again

Nandi and have you received any replies so far?

Not yet , however I sent the mail on Wednesday and I assume Mythic receives alot of whines, complains and hatemail, so it will take some time I guess.

Just my 2 cents BOD ia a zerg guild they spam recruitment in newb zone non stop and they accept anyone and everyone . Not like the KA i remember. I been on Eltharion 3 months noe so i should know . Good luck btw

in WAR (My Humble opinion) its better to be in a zerg guild than a dead 5 man guild due to the way the game is made and that is zerg pvp.

To be honest, I do not like much the T4 RvR - it should be a peak of achievement in this game, but somehow... it is a lot of action on Karak Azgal, where I am still playing, but no tactics, no point, just zerg. I play as an Ironbreaker, have full Sentinel armor set, but my existence in pvp still counts in seconds only... it is like DISARMED - DISABLED - ROOTED - DISABLED - DEAD, not to mention the lag or server crashes during fortress sieges. I have been in about 6 fortress fights and the defenders always won (does not matter if them or us) by a simple, yet effective tactic - get as many people as possible to the fortress zone and spam as much graphic effect and other shit as possible, the zone will eventually break. As you may know, there is a one hour limit to conquer the fortress and if you are not successful, the WHOLE Tier will reset. Usually after three fast zone crashdowns two thirds of attackers log off/go somewhere else.

As Karak Azgal was made a transfer destination server, there is definitely more people in each Tier (a lot of guys from Poland and Sweden), so I play my alts as it brings more fun atm - usually one warband on both sides, the fights are dynamic and balanced plus you don't spend most of the time stunned/silenced/rooted/disabled.

Update on transfer request to Eltharion - Mythic wrote me to contact GOA and GOA told me to watch the news - I hate them idiots